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Maanantaina 12.5. 2003 klo 11:56:11
Muistan, että pienenä Ferguksi luulemani harmaja traktori olikin Foorti.
Mitä eroa näillä vehkeillä on. Vaikka vuodelta-52 tai -55?
Kumpi on parempi ja onko noita harmaita Forteja Suomessa monta?
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Lähettäjä: Ford ukko
Maanantaina 12.5. 2003 klo 15:28:34
Se harmaa on Fergu ja valkoinen on Ford.
Ford oli 1930-luvulla Ameriikoissa alkanut tehdä jo enenpää samanlaista (=samaa) traktoria 9N ja sodan jälkeen mallia 8N jossa oli tuo Fergusonnin kolmepiste nostolaite jne. mutta sitten tuli tämä kuuluisa riita kun vanha Henry Fordilla kuoli 1946 ja H. Ferguson sanoi ettei mitään diiliä Fordin kanssa ollutkaan nostolaitteen käytöstä, ja Harry alkoi valmistaa omaa traktoria eli sitä harmaata Fergua. Suomeen tuotiin 1940-luvun ja 1950-luvuin vaihteessa kumpiakin, ekat Fordit tais tulla jo 1948, ja esim. kotonani oli ostettu vuonna 1949 syksyllä Salon Automyynnistä (Ford myyjä) upouusi Ford mallia 8N.
Se oli väritykseltään valkoinen ja punainen, muutoin samannäköinen kuin Fergu. Niitä USA-fordeja tuotiin siinä 1953 tai 1954 asti, mm. 1953 vuonna Fordin 50-vuoden juhlaksi ns. Golden Jubilee malli. Fergut ovat toki paljon yleisempiä 1950-luvun traktoreina kuin nuo Fordit, Fordilla kun sitten alkoi Majurin tuonti jyrätä näiden pikku-Fordien yli...
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Lähettäjä: Historian tutkija
Maanantaina 12.5. 2003 klo 19:37:19
Taitaapa Ford ukko olla ns. huru ukko kun on historiankirjat noin sekaisin.
Eikös se mennyt niin että nuorempi Ford ei halunnut maksaa rojalteja Fergun keksinnöstä kuten oli pappa tehnyt pelkän kättäpäähän sopparin pohjalta...Ja sitten alettiin veistää Ferguja ja maksoihan se Ford ukkokin lopulta muutaman sata milliä.
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Maanantaina 12.5. 2003 klo 19:57:58
Harry Ferguson's story: Harry Ferguson (1884-1960) was the son of an Irish farmer. He was young when he showed he had genius for mechanics. Indeed, during his early twenties, he worked for his brother as a mechanic and a race pilot. Later, he conceived and built several monoplans which he piloted. After making experimental researches on tractors and ploughs, he developed a plough suitable to Fordson line tractors, model F. His very first system was made of springs and levers. In 1925, with Eber and George Sherman, he founded, in United States, the Ferguson-Sherman Inc. entreprise which produced a plough with "Duplex hitch" system suitable to Fordson line tractors. He made his first Ferguson hydraulic system for his Ferguson-Black prototype tractor of which David Brown had made the differential gear and transmission. In 1933 he founded with him the Ferguson-Brown Co. where around 1354 Ferguson-Brown tractors, model A, equiped with the Ferguson hydraulic system, were produced.
In 1938, he met with Henry Ford. By a so called "Hand Shake Agreement" in order to produce Ferguson system tractors. Henry Ford's reputation was therein involved as well as an important part of his financial resources. As for Harry Ferguson, his patents were his most important contibution. Through the Harry Ferguson Inc. entreprise, he sold tractors and parts of equipements, among which several were produced by the Ferguson-Sherman Inc. entreprise. At that time, Ford 9N tractors (1939-1942) and Ford 2N tractors (1942-1947) were being sold. Then, towards the end of 1946, Henry Ford's grandson, Henry Ford II, advised him that this agreement would be ending on June 30, 1947.
The moment Ford Motor Co. started to sell it's tractor, model 8N, Harry Ferguson riposted first, in persuing Ford Motors Co. and associates for an amount of 340,000,000$ second, in negotiating with Standard Motors Co. for them to produce his tractor, model TE20 (Tractor England). That model was similar to Ford tractors models 9N and 2N. Nevertheless, it was different from Ford tractor, model 9N, because it had a four-speed gearbox, an overhead valves motor, two foot break pedals (right and left) in the left side and a one-piece hood.
Harry Ferguson drove the serial # 1 tractor, model TO20 (Tractor Oversea), built in Detroit, in 1948. Tractors model TO20 and TE20 were identical except for electrical system and transmission case. Tractor model TO20 had a Delco electrical system and a cast iron transmission case whereas tractor model TE20 had a Lucas electrical system and an aluminium transmission case.
In April 1952, Harry Ferguson settled, out of court, the legal action he had taken against Ford Motor Co. In 1953, Ferguson and Massey-Harris merged and from then on, Massey-Harris-Ferguson Co. was created which later became Massey-Ferguson Co. After that merge, he developped through his Harry Ferguson Research enterprise, a four wheels drive car, race cars and tractors. Then, in 1960, died Harry Ferguson.
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Maanantaina 12.5. 2003 klo 20:09:51
The story of the deal between Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson, which was sealed with only a handshake, has been told so many times by so many authors that I'm not sure exactly what happened. Basically, Harry Ferguson invented the three-point hitch and Ford agreed to put it on his new Ford 9N tractor. Called the "Ferguson System", this three-point hitch was put together using a combination of linkage (three different linkage points, two on bottom and one on top) and hydraulics. It use to be that hooking up an implement to a tractor was a major affair. Farmers had hoists and helpers and all kinds of inovative ways to get that heavy thing hooked up. With the Ferguson System they need only back up to the implement, hook it up, raise it with the hydraulics and off they went.
The Ford 9N - 1939 to 1941
So the Ford 9N, the first of the "N Series" tractors was born complete with the first three-point hitch in 1939. It was developed as a versatile all-purpose tractor for the small farm and was exceedingly popular. It went through subtle changes almost every year of production. For example, in 1939 the grille had nearly horizontal bars and the steering box, grille, battery box, hood, instrument panel and tranny cover were made of cast-aluminum. It had snap-on radiator and fuel caps. In 1940 these caps were changed to the hinged type. In 1941 they changed the grill to steel with vertical bars. Many other changes were made and if you are interested you may want to purchase a Ford history book that focuses on the N Series. By the end of 1941 they had made so many changes, and had so many more ideas for changes, that they changed the name of the tractor to the "Ford 2N".
The Ford 2N - 1942 to 1947
Some of the newest features on the Ford 2N were an enlarged cooling fan (with shroud), a pressurized radiator, and eventually sealed-beam headlights. Other changes were made here and there due to the war. For awhile only steel wheels were available, and a magneto system was used rather than a battery. When the war ended it went back to what it had been before.
The Ford 8N - 1947 to 1952
The Ford 2N eventually evolved into the Ford 8N, which officially started it's production in 1947. This was also the year the handshake agreement between Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson was ended regarding the three-point hitch. Ford would continue using the hitch, but would no longer give Harry any money nor would he call it the "Ferguson System" any longer. This resulted in a lawsuit which eventually awarded Harry Ferguson $10 million or so. Harry went on to produce the 8N look-alike TO-20 and TO-30 but that is another story in itself... so back to the 8N. A completely new line of implements (Dearborn) was introduced. Some of the noticeable differences between the 9N/2N was the change in lugs from six to eight in the rear wheels, scripted "Ford" logo on the fenders and sides of the hood (reportedly this scripting did not actually start until late 1950) and finally, the absence of the "Ferguson System" patch which was no longer displayed under the Ford oval (even though the tractor still used Fergusons three-point hitch). The rest of the differences can be found on the Specifications page. Our intention here was just to give you a brief light-hearted look at the history behind these machines.
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Keskiviikkona 14.5. 2003 klo 13:40:13
Voisko joku Suamentaa meille maalaistolloille tään, varmaan mielenkiintoista asiaa ja olisi mukava kielitairottomankin saara tietää mitä tossa erellä lukee. Kiinnostaa tuo Ford historiikki mutta ei tuo enkelsmannin kieli oo vahva alani, sori. Että jos sais edes tiivistelmän etellisistä Suameksi, kiitos!
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Keskiviikkona 14.5. 2003 klo 18:32:07
En jaksanut lukea yllä olevaa tekstiä mutta eikös se ollut niin, että Ferguson oli markkinointiyhtiö joka ei itse valmistanut traktoreita mutta hoiti niiden suunnittelun ja myynnin. Henry Fordin kuoltua Ford-yhtiö halusi eroon Fergusonista kun sillä oli itselläänkin toimiva myyntiorganisaatio.